For the 5DS R Non-believers. Additional thoughts on the camera. And 5DS R help needed… « Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

For the 5DS R Non-believers. Additional thoughts on the camera. And 5DS R help needed...

What’s Up?

All of the image captions for the San Diego exhibit have been finished, and the Western Digital 2TB My Passport Ultra Portable Hard Drive (Black) with the properly size TIFFs arrived at Fine Print Imaging in Fort Collins, CO on Friday afternoon; two big projects completed. All that while working hard with the folks who will be joining me on the OCT/NOV 2015 Cheesemans’ South Georgia/Falklands Expedition; click here for the whole story. If you would like to join me on what will be an amazing trip to a wondrous place, please shoot me an e-mail with the words “Cheesemans’ Last South Georgia Expedition” cut and pasted into the Subject Line.

I worked as hard every day this week from the early pre-dawn until I hit the sack as I can ever remember. It feels great to have accomplished so much. In the coming days I have to mop up a few things with regards to the exhibit and will continue to work on both the 2015 Bosque Current Conditions Update and the new Southern Ocean Photography Guide. I hope to have the former finished by Monday. I felt pretty good again on Friday. I hope to get back in the pool soon….



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Selling your used (or like-new) photo gear through the BAA Blog or via a BAA Online Bulletin is a great idea. We charge only a 5% commission. One of the more popular used gear for sale sites charges a minimum of 20%. Plus assorted fees! Yikes. The minimum item price here is $500 (or less for a $25 fee). If you are interested please e-mail with the words Items for Sale Info Request cut and pasted into the Subject line :). Stuff that is priced fairly–I offer free pricing advice, usually sells in no time flat. In the past few months, we have sold just about everything in sight. Do know that prices on some items like the EOS-1D Mark IV, the old Canon 500mm, the EOS-7D, and the original 400mm IS DO lens have been dropping steadily. You can see all current listings by clicking here or by clicking on the Used Photo Gear tab on the yellow-orange tab on the right side of the menu bar above.

After somewhat of a summer lull, things have really been heating up on the Used Gear page recently.

  • The sale of Melissa Hahn’s Canon 400mm f/2.8L IS II lens is pending….
  • Stephen Zarate sold his used Canon 100-400mm L IS zoom lens yesterday for $650 one day after it was listed.
  • Kenton Rowe sold his Canon 200-400mm f/4L IS lens with Internal 1.4X Extender in early December for $9799.
  • Brent Bridges sold his Canon 600 II for the full asking price, $9799,in early December 2015.
  • David Bell sold his Canon 400mm f/5.6L lens yesterday for the full asking price, $699, on the day it was listed!
  • Alan and Sara Levine sold their old 300 f/2.8L IS lens in early December for $3175.
  • Two Canon 500mm f/4L IS lenses (two) were sold by Pat & Stokes Fishburne for $3799 each in late November, 2015.
  • A Canon EOS-1D Mark IV Camera Body was sold by Alice Garland for $1350 in mid-November, 2015.
  • Mike Ederegger sold his AF-S Nikkor 200-400mm F/4 G ED VR II in excellent condition for $ 5199 right after it was listed.
  • Alan and Sara Levine sold their old five, the Canon 500mm f/4 L IS for $4200 in late August, 2015.

New Listing

Used Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM Lens

Good friend and multiple IPT veteran Monte Brown is offering a used Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens in near-mint condition for the new record low BAA price of $4499. The sale includes the lens trunk, a LensCoat, the tough fabric front cover, the rear lens cap, the original boxes, and insured ground shipping. Your item will not ship until your check clears unless other arrangements are made.

Please contact Monte by e-mail or by phone at 765-744-1421 (Eastern time).

The 300 II is a superbly sharp and versatile lens that kills with both TCs. In addition, it is a great flight lens. Monte’s price is the lowest-ever for this item at BAA. Monte has always taken great care of his gear. artie


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This 100% crop of today’s featured image below was then cropped to 1200 pixels wide and is displayed here at 800 pixels wide. The view here is un-sharpened and un-processed in any way (other than the re-sizing). What does that all mean? I have no clue as I am not too good at pixel math.

The 100% Crop

My thoughts are that the tight crop above is pretty darned impressive as far as sharpness and fine feather detail, the latter being far better than with any previous Canon camera body, at least as far as I can tell…. What do you think?

As Warren Hatch mentioned on the Bosque IPT, seeing the images on my Apple 15.4″ MacBook Pro Notebook Computer with Retina Display & Force Touch Trackpad (Mid 2015) was a simply stunning experience….


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This image was created at Bosque on the first afternoon of the first 2015 Bosque IPT with the Induro tripod/Mongoose M3.6-mounted
Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM lens, the Canon Extender EF 1.4X III,, and the incredible Canon EOS 5DS R. ISO 400: 1/1600 at f/8. AWB.

Center AF point/AI Servo Expand/Rear Focus AF as framed was active at the moment of exposure. The chosen AF point was just forward and below the goose’s eye. Click here to see the latest version of the Rear Focus Tutorial. Click on the image to see a larger version.

Tight head portrait of juvenile blue morph Snow Goose

Creating the Image

The geese were in the best possible afternoon location. We had the whole group on them. I invited all to join me in getting really close but only Dan Turk did so. The rest stayed back and tried for flight images. There were lots of Ross’s Geese close to the shoreline (or on it!) See the vertical head and neck portrait of this uncommon species in the “Canon EOS-5DS R for Birds: An Overview. I’ve never seen image files like these…” blog post here.

Details on this location will be revealed in the 2015 Bosque Current Conditions Update; it will be send free to all who have previously purchased the Bosque Site Guide and will also be available as an inexpensive, separate, stand-alone purchase. It will be available on Monday or Tuesday.

More EOS-5DS R Thoughts

Though I do not search out the internet experts (i.e., internet idiots), I have–in several e-mails–heard some scuttlebutt that indicates that it is difficult to create consistently sharp images with this mega-pixel monster camera body. My impression, going back to the EOS-7D Mark II bodies, is that the more pixels the more care that you have to take as far as keeping the lens still and steady. Pretty much everyone told me that I was wrong and at one point I admitted that I was. But the technically proficient Alan Lillich and several others explained that I was right: on a pixel level, the effects of lens shake or mirror slap are effectively magnified. I never said anything publicly on that. Till now.

I have heard that Canon recommends using the EOS-5DS and the EOS-5DS R only with the latest greatest lenses as only they are able to deal well with the super-high resolution files. I could find no evidence of that either on the internet including the Canon USA site. I will be writing Chuck Westfall, Canon’s top tech rep and share what I learn with you here. If you know of such a list, please do leave a comment with the link.

What I did find on the Canon website was, however, quite interesting:

Advanced Mirror control mechanism and shutter release time lag

The camera shake that occurs from the impact of an SLR’s mirror can leave blurred details in the recorded image. This effect is magnified when working with a super high-resolution sensor like the one found in the EOS 5DS R. To counter the effects of conventional, spring-driven SLR mirrors, the EOS 5DS R features a newly developed Mirror Vibration Control system. The camera’s mirror is not controlled by springs but instead is driven by a small motor and cams. This system suppresses the impact typical of the camera’s mirror, significantly reducing impact and its effects on the image. A new Time Release Lag setting, easily accessed on the EOS 5DS R’s menu system, offers an added protection against camera-shake blur by setting the shutter release time intentionally longer so the camera does not begin the next exposure until after the impact of the camera’s mirror has diffused.

Bold italics mine 🙂

5DS R Help Needed…

#1: I searched the menu carefully six times looking for the Time Release Lag item. Any clues?

#2: I went back to the 5DS R box in search of the camera body instructional booklet so that I could find the Time Release Shutter Lag menu item. All that was in the box was the basic instruction manual. Any clues?

#3: I went online to try and download the full 5DS R Instruction Manual from a Canon website and struck out on that too. Any clues? (I did find alleged 5DS R camera body Manual downloads at sites that I did not trust; all required that you download a “needed program” first and I was reluctant to do that.)

#4: As above, if you have a link to a list of Canon-recommended lenses compatible with the 5DS R please share the link with us by leaving a comment.



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33 comments to For the 5DS R Non-believers. Additional thoughts on the camera. And 5DS R help needed…

  • avatar Pierre Williot

    Help with 5DSr:
    Look for the mirror lock. (4 th dot of the camera menu).
    Once in that sub menu you will find all the options.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Thanks and understood. But when I read this:

      Advanced Mirror control mechanism and shutter release time lag

      The camera shake that occurs from the impact of an SLR’s mirror can leave blurred details in the recorded image. This effect is magnified when working with a super high-resolution sensor like the one found in the EOS 5DS R. To counter the effects of conventional, spring-driven SLR mirrors, the EOS 5DS R features a newly developed Mirror Vibration Control system. The camera’s mirror is not controlled by springs but instead is driven by a small motor and cams. This system suppresses the impact typical of the camera’s mirror, significantly reducing impact and its effects on the image. A new Time Release Lag setting, easily accessed on the EOS 5DS R’s menu system, offers an added protection against camera-shake blur by setting the shutter release time intentionally longer so the camera does not begin the next exposure until after the impact of the camera’s mirror has diffused.

      Bold italics mine 🙂

      There is no mention of mirror lock…. Therein lies the confusion.

      artie

  • Artie
    I think Canon was the original source a round the end of June. If you recall, I mentioned to you the 24-105 wasn’t on this list, only the 24-70

    http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/-Post.aspx?News=15356

  • avatar Marvin Falk

    My 5DSR came with a manual on DVD. There were two disks that came with it: one contains software (white) and the other instruction manuals in various languages (black).

  • avatar Bill Sollee

    Artie,
    John is right. The only setting that Canon is referring to is the one he notes, as is clear from the diagram below the quote of yours from the Canon site. There is no other menu item on this point.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      At this point I am only sure about one thing: the stuff from Canon is very confusing. I am hoping that Chuck Westfall can shed some light on things on Monday. Several previous cameras offer a shutter lag menu option, I believe under one of the pink AF menus. a

  • avatar Bill Sollee

    Artie, the manual is in the Canonusa.com website, under brochures (all 532 pages).

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Good link but I could not find brochures…. I did find it under downloads by typing 5DS R into the product box. So thanks. artie

  • avatar Don

    Artie
    It has disappeared off the Canon USA site, but still is at the UK site:
    http://www.canon.co.uk/for_home/product_finder/cameras/digital_slr/eos_5ds_r/

    Don

  • Explained at the bottom of the page.

    Evidently, there is now an option of a user selectable delay between pressing the shutter release button and the actual shooting. This gives time for the mirror movement to subside before the actual shot is taken.

    ==============================
    Release time lag Arbitrary setting under Mirror Lockup function

    Camera-shake blur is suppressed by releasing the shutter after mirror shock recedes. We have set the release time lag intentionally longer, so the camera can start exposure after the impact caused by mirror rising action recedes. This anti-vibration shooting scheme is an effective countermeasure against camera-shake blur unlike conventional mirror lock-up shooting, since the camera does not require a second full pressing of the shutter release button.

    https://edge.canon.co.in/EOS5DS-5DSR/first-time-functions.html#Release%20Time%20Lag%20Arbitrary%20Setting
    ==============================

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Bharat, I looked at that when John suggested it below and stated that he was wrong. It might have been me who was in error. But, the section you linked to (after scrolling down seems to have to do only with mirror lock-up shooting….

      My final answer, I am very confused 🙂 a

    • Arthur, all the lenses are there. You have to choose one of the four links in the grey band just below the displayed lens list. Choices are “Wide”, “Standard”, “Tele”, “Zoom” (I’m shortening the titles for my convenience).

      • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

        Many thanks. a

      • My guess is that the “release time lag” function works only after mirror lockup has been activated. Therefore, it is clubbed in the mirror lockup menu.

        Conventionally, if you enable mirror lockup on Canon, you either need two presses of the shutter button to take a picture (one to raise the mirror and the second to take the shot) or you can set a timer wherein the shutter button press will raise the mirror and the timer will activate the shot after the given time. Timers can usually only be set to 2 seconds or 10 seconds. Here Canon seems to have given you the flexibility of choosing 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or 1 second for that delay without going into the timer.

        Some Micro Four third bodies also have this feature and it’s called Anti-Shock in those bodies.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Hi Bharat, The recommended lenses list is bogus as it does not include the Series II supertelephotos…

      The link to the Manual is a good one. Folks need to b careful to select their language from the “preferred language” list. The first one that i downloaded was in Finnsih 🙂

      Patrick Sparkman had sent me the same link via e-mail.

      All in all, may thanks. artie

  • avatar Alan Lillich

    Canon’s comment about resolution and shake is in the right direction but misleading. The shake is related to pixel pitch, not total pixel count. Side by side with the same lens a 7D II and the 5D S (R or not) will have about the same shake issue because they have about the same pixel pitch. But does Canon publish the same warning for the 7D II?

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      They do not as far as I know. Where might someone learn to understand what pixel pitch is? a

    • It’s not just the pixel pitch, although obviously, the more the pixels the greater the blur will be on the same amount of movement.

      Both the 7D II and the 5DS use anti-aliasing filters that blur the image very slightly. This blurring should absorb slightly the blurring due to mirror shock or that due to lens aberrations.
      The 5DS R has the effect of this filter cancelled out, thus effectively no blurring takes place at the sensor end. Hence, to retain that extra sharpness, you need a perfectly still sensor at the time the shot is taken and you also need a lens that does minimum blurring of the image due to aberrations.

      • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

        Thanks. I still don’t know what pixel pitch is 🙂 All the rest makes sense and reinforces what I have been thinking all along, though I believe that there is something similar going on with the 7D II.

        a

  • Artie,
    My best guess re the Time Release shutter lag is the delay choices you’ll see if you go to the mirror lock up menu.
    Best,
    John

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Good try but I checked: NG on that…. a

      • R U saying your mirror lock up menu doesnt show the “shoot 1/8 sec after press” etc up to 2 seconds …… or that you dont think the Time Release Shutter Lag verbiage refers to the mirror lock up delays? I searched my PDF 5Dsr manual for that time release phrase and nothing like it came up.

        • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

          Not at all. It says exactly that. But it has nothing at all to do with the shutter release time lag settings. I know that that exists on other cameras but I simply cannot find it on the 5DS R. It is likely that I am missing it due to mind set. I have e-mailed Chuck Westfall but will not hear from him till Monday the earliest. Thanks again for trying to help.

  • I believe it’s this post on TDP that people are referring to:

    http://www.the-digital-picture.com/News/News-Post.aspx?News=15356

    The list does have some oddities.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      I Aravind. I will try to find the actual Canon post somewhere/somehow… Good to hear from you. Did you hear about the last-ever Cheesemans’ South Georgia/Falklands trip? later and love, artie