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Live View Caution/A Guest Blog Post by Tim Grey

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This tulip image was created at the Willem-Alexander Pavilion at Keukenhof, Lisse, Holland with the tripod-mounted Canon EF 600mm f/4L IS II USM lens and the Canon EOS 5D Mark III Digital camera body. ISO 400. Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/5 sec. at f/16 in Manual mode.

Again, manual focus on the distal end of the pistil. Click on the image to enjoy a larger size.

Image #4: Tulip Multiple Exposure: “Beauty of Spryng”

How I Use Live View

I have found myself using Live View more recently than in previous years, especially for my flower photography.

Here is how and why I use Live View:

For flower or macro work, I often use Live View along with the 2-second timer to ensure sharp images in wind-free situations. Live View raises the mirror with the simple push of a button.

Again, mostly with flowers I have used Live View to ensure getting the right exposure by viewing the RGB histogram that you can bring up in Live View.

I use Live View when creating images with stacked teleconverters using Live Mode AF which focuses off contrast on the sensor. The funny thing is that once I have achieved focus I turn Live View off, look through the viewfinder, and push the shutter button to make the image.

I rarely use Live View at 10X magnification to focus manually with stacked teleconverters when there is not enough contrast for Live Mode AF to work.

And of course I use Live View to create the few videos that I make.

That’s about it. Note: I do not use Live View to check composition or image design. For that I make an image and then check the LCD on the back of the camera.

I never once thought that using Live View might in any way be potentially harmful to the sensor. Is there a danger? Keep reading.

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This image was created in-camera at Keukehof Gardens in Lisse Holland on the first Tulip IPT with the tripod-mounted Canon EF 300mm f/2.8L IS II USM lens and the Canon EOS 5D Mark III.

ISO 100. Evaluative metering +1 stop at f/22 in Tv mode. What do you think was the shutter speed?

Central sensor Surround/AI Servo Rear Focus on the first row of pink tulips. Click here if you missed the Rear Focus Tutorial. Click on the image to see a larger version.

How’d He Do Dat?

First off, do you like it? Do you hate it? Why? Be forewarned: I love it in part because of the outline effect on the pink tulips. Do let us know how you think this image was created in-camera? What technique or techniques were used? Please be as specific as you can. What was the shutter speed? Here is a clue: the original was rendered as a JPEG. Sometimes you can come up with something new and creative just by screwing around and having some fun.

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This image was created at the Willem-Alexander Pavilion at Keukenhof, Lisse, Holland with the tripod-mounted Canon Telephoto EF 180mm f/3.5L Macro USM Autofocus lens and the and the Canon EOS-5D Mark III. ISO 800. Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/25 sec. at f/8 in Av mode.

Central sensor AI Servo/Rear Focus on the closest large tulip petal on the left and re-compose. Click here if you missed the Rear Focus Tutorial. Click on the image to see a larger version.

Live View (for Mirror Lock) and 2-second timer were used to create a sharp image of this Tulipa “Washington Orange” at a very slow shutter speed.

Live View Caution/A Guest Blog Post by Tim Grey

From the December 11, 2013 edition of the “Ask Tim Grey eNewsletter.”

Today’s Question: In a recent podcast episode Tim and Renee spoke highly of shooting with live view, especially for close focus shallow DOF [depth of field] circumstances. I have tried it for this purpose too and it works well. The Canon 6D manual, however, cautions against continuous live view use for a long period as it can cause internal temperature rise that would cause image quality to deteriorate, and I have read elsewhere it could possibly even cause camera damage. So my question is, how long is a “long period”?

Tim’s Answer: This is a great question, which of course doesn’t have a clear and specific answer.

To begin with, there is no question that using the Live View feature of your digital SLR will cause some problems. On any camera, such continuous use of the image sensor will lead to a rather significant (and relatively quick) increase in heat, which leads to greater noise in any images you capture. Of course, the same is true for capturing a large number of images in a relatively short period of time, especially under hot conditions. By contrast, if you use the Live View (and thus the image sensor) sparingly, and the temperature is relatively cold, there will be less heat buildup and thus less noise in the images.

For cameras (such as digital SLRs) that feature a shutter mechanism, the Live View option can also be harmful to the shutter, leading to earlier-than-expected failure of the shutter. That is because the shutter must remain open the entire time you are using Live View, which among other things can stretch the springs used in the shutter assembly.

Of course, you could also argue that simply taking a picture damages your shutter, since a shutter has a limited life expectancy measured in a number of actuations. That, of course, would generally relate to the number of images captured, and most shutter mechanisms in today’s digital SLR cameras have a life expectancy measured in the hundreds of thousands of actuations, perhaps up to a maximum of around one million actuations.

In any event, I do recommend being somewhat judicious in the use of Live View. I certainly couldn’t cite a number in terms of how long you can use Live View before too much heat builds up or until you’ve actually done harm to the shutter mechanism. But the point is that while I love using Live View, I do try to minimize the use.

In other words, if I feel it will improve a given photo, I will absolutely use Live View. But I will also try to limit the amount of time I’m using Live View by working somewhat quickly, and also by being conscious of these issues and not turning on Live View until I’m ready to use it, and turning it off as soon as I’m done using it.

I wouldn’t go to extreme measures here, as in most cases the harm done will be relatively modest. But it is something worth keeping in mind, and it is worth developing good habits when it comes to the use of Live View.

My Question

Does anyone know if the same potential risks occur while doing video? Heck, at least it was cold at Bosque 🙂

Follow-up from Time Grey via E-mail

Yes, the same issues relate to the capture of video clips. I am addressing that question in an “Ask Tim Grey eNewsletter” next week, as a reader posed the same basic question earlier today.

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24 comments to Live View Caution/A Guest Blog Post by Tim Grey

  • avatar David Policansky

    Hi, Artie. I love the tulip image too for the same reason you say you do. Thanks for the information on live view. I actually use it rarely and had been feeling guilty about not using it more often, because it does have advantages. Now I feel less guilty! And it’s not useful at all for flying birds, my favorite photographic subjects.

  • Hi Artie,

    I don’t understand Allan Lillich’s comment: “I’m shocked when I see folks use a cable release with telephoto lenses.”

    thanks,

    Mike from CT

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      What he is saying is that it is nuts to use a cable release for birds or wildlife in nearly all situations. Why? Because the photographer should be stabilizing the rig with their right hand, left arm, and the side of their face against the back of the camera.

  • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

    From Tim Grey via e-mail:

    Yes, the same issues relate to the capture of video clips. I am addressing that question in an “Ask Tim Grey eNewsletter” next week, as a reader posed the same basic question earlier today.

  • Hi all,

    I used live view (and the viewfinder too) to take some solar eclipse photos. My 7D now has more noise permanently at all ISOs.

    Cheers,
    Tom.

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    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Not sure of a cause and effect relationship there… artie

      • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

        This by e-mail from Rudy Winston:

        Hi Artie,

        I don’t know that there’s a DIRECT correlation, but I can’t completely rule it out, either… our engineers and service department have never clarified what, if any, visible influence to images might happen from excessive sensor-heat over time. If this is something that’s now constant and and can be consistently reproduced, the camera probably ought to be examined by a service technician. Even though it’s apples and oranges, so to speak, a comparison of similar “before and after” images from the customer should give an idea if this is a newly-introduced problem, or within what could reasonably be called “normal”.

        Sorry I can’t just give a yes-no answer, but hope this is at least slightly helpful.

        Rudy

        Rudy Winston
        Advisor, Technical Information
        Canon USA

  • avatar Bobby Perkins

    I too read Tim’s article earlier, (Love his almost Daily Newsletter, and as Artie stated I learn something new all the time). The camera user’s manuals do warn about potential internal temperature increase with Live View and the warning icon may appear on the screen. If you continue shooting while the warning icon is displayed, the image quality of still photos may be degraded, internal temperature will further increase and Live View shooting may stop automatically and be disabled until temp decreases. In this case it suggest you turn off camera and allow to rest for awhile.
    After reading Tim’s article I wondered the same thing as Artie about video? The warning icon and temp issue is the same for video as well when shooting videos for a long time or high temps. I have to say myself I don’t shoot much video and seldom ever use live view mode, so I’ve never had a problem or seen the warning icon before.
    Love the Tulip shot.

  • avatar Marr Miller

    I use Live View when micro adjusting focus on lenses. Hasn’t been a problem, 1Dx.

  • avatar Richard Curtin

    Really like the multiple pink tulip photo. It would look great printed large on canvas. I’m only guessing but was one images blurred with vertical movement and one stationary?

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Nope. It is a straight 5D Mark III 2-frame Multiple Exposure. The neatest thing is that I was working in Live View. After you make the first image I saw the final result in Live View on the rear LCD screen after shifting the lens to one side but before I pushed the shutter button! That may have had to with my ME settings…..

  • avatar Pat Lillich

    hey Artie – thanks for posting this – unlike Alan I hadn’t read all the warnings, and we are just back from a trip to Yosemite where I used Live View excessively — fortunately it was 10 degrees or so – but going forward i’ll try to be more cautious. Hope you have a great holiday!

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Thanks Pat. It is 80 degrees down here and I am swimming every day. But heck, I swim when it is 35 degrees. But the pool is a constant 77 or at least that is the plan.

      • avatar Pat Lillich

        Unfair! Alan and i want to spend more time in Florida – we were thinking of it because of the birds, but this werk that temperature sounds really attractive!

        • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

          Hi Pat, Consider joining us on the South Florida Composite IPT–there will be lots of Photoshop time with both Denise and me :). Please write for repeat-client discount info if you are interested. Right now we have a small group.

  • Hi Arthur, thanks for posting this…good info to keep in mind for future Live View use. I utilize Live View on my D800 often when photographing Bullfrogs from the canoe. Now I too will be a little more aware of how long I actually leave it activated while doing so.

  • avatar Alan Lillich

    “I use Live View when creating images with stacked teleconverters using Live Mode AF which focuses off contrast on the sensor. The funny thing is that once I have achieved focus I turn Live View off, look through the viewfinder, and push the shutter button to make the image.”

    Doesn’t strike me as odd at all. You’re only stacking TCs with your longest lens, so damping vibration during the exposure is critical. I’m shocked when I see folks use a cable release with telephoto lenses.

    The 5D-III manual on page 201 says to not point at the sun during live view shooting, you can “damage the camera’s internal components”. Pages 217-218 have more live view cautions, but all talking about image degradation not camera damage. There are even white and red temperature warnings, and the camera will automatically shut down if it gets too hot. There are movie cautions on pages 247-248, and page 228 says also read pages 217-218. Pages 247-248 mainly say video quality will not suffer but stills taken during video will.

    The 1DX manual says similar things on pages 127, 139-140, 147, and 153-154.

  • avatar Martin Plant

    I read that Tim Grey piece earlier and I’ve got to say I think he is being way over cautious. Think of the tens of thousands of 5D Mark IIs that spent their entire lives shooting video (in live view) with no ill effects.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Hi Martin, I think that he is being middle-of-the-road cautious. I never even knew of any potential risks. Now at least I will do a better job of remembering to turn off Live View when I am not using it 🙂 artie