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2nd Chance Challenges...

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Yesterday was a fairly relaxing day. I packed one of my two checked bags and my gear bag; details on the latter in tomorrow’s blog post. I still have to to pack my second checked bag, my Think Tank Urban Disguise laptop bag, and my Xtrahand vest but I have lots of time as my flight to Islip is at 3:00pm this afternoon. After two days of rest and some stretching my right shoulder is feeling a lot better. As am I. πŸ™‚

This blog post took about an hour to assemble. It was published just before 6:00am on Monday, August 10 from my home in Indian Lake Estates, FL.

2nd Chance Challenges…

At times–after a while–folks start to take the blog for granted and get a bit lazy. Sure, most read it every day, but with a few specific posts folks lately have not been that interested in answering my questions by leaving a comment. The purpose of the blog it to get you to think and therefore to have everyone learn. In today’s blog post I will re-post two images, each with a previously ignored question. I challenge each of you to come up with a good answer. An interactive blog is a better blog….

Before and after animated GIF. Note the browner tones and the much-improved eyes in the optimized version….

Important Exposure Question

In the “Dealing With Those Hard to See Eyes…” blog post here, I posted the animated GIF above and the question below. The answer to the questions reveals an important exposure principle, one that all good photographers should have completely mastered. I know from experience that few have done that. Do take a crack at it. I will be posting the answer and the explanation soon.

High Level Exposure Question

Why are the irises of Razorbills underexposed by about 1 1/2 stops in a properly exposed RAW file?


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Image #2: Another version

Slightly Less Important Image Design Question

In the “Palouse Group Infrared Wind Turbine Image” blog post here, I posted the following with regards to both images.

Image Design Question

Do you like the little black triangle in the lower left corner? Why or why not?


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Subject and focal lengths from upper left to right and then around to center.

Palouse Falls: 11mm; homemade kiddie race car: 105mm; barn siding pan blur: 798mm; Rolling fields diorama: 110mm; Crayola drums: 343 mm; Hay barn interior: 19mm; vintage gas station: 40mm; Dilapidated farm building: 13mm; Denise’s tree Infrared: 20mm.

Images and card design by Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART.

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30 comments to 2nd Chance Challenges…

  • avatar Neil Hickman

    Hi!
    If you get the whites “right” the eye will have to be under-exposed. The triangle defines the road and is needed.

  • avatar Frank Sheets

    Yep, need to keep the blinkies in check, so the proper exposure was not about the eyes, but about the whites. You can draw from darks, which you demonstrated. Trust you used a quick mask to do the adjustment on the head. Great tool! Thanks.

    Re the triangl, adds nothing for me. The photo oi about the people photographing the wind mills and wonderful sky. The triangle seems distracting.

    Thanks for encouraging the response.

    Frank

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    Marco Island, FL

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Hi Joe, I have used TSI myself for several big trips. I have never had to make a claim. I have not heard a single bad word about them. As for all travel insurance, my advice is that folks read the fine print before they purchase, not after they make a claim. TSI’s “cancel for any reason” is pretty simple, but still I would read the fine print very carefully.

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  • avatar Larry Phelan

    Image Design Question – Palouse Group Infrared Wind Turbine Image Do you like the little black triangle in the lower left corner? I like the small triangle because it gives “closure” and size to the road relative to the enormous scene of sky and wind turbines.

  • avatar William Lloyd

    I like the triangle. It acts as a “postscript”. On first view you take in the image, and quickly form an impression. Then you note the triangle of road included, and you suddenly have a different understanding of the image.It forces you to take a second, longer look at the image. Very effective. I think THAT is more important then how it adds to the composition.

  • Hi Artie,

    On the Razorbill photo when exposing to the right on the histogram without any clipping of the whites with your white point at approx 235 to 240 the dynamic range of the photo forces the darkest point way to the left or close to zero which results in an underexposed iris. Even though it looks cloudy, the subjects appear to be somewhat backlit which will add additional shadow to the eye socket.

    The triangle for me defines the road really well, but it causes my eye to follow the road first and then start scanning the rest of the image. It is a distraction because it becomes the main leading line of the image. Great perspective of the road though!

    Thanks for helping us learn!

    My Best,
    Wayne

  • avatar Therese Scheller

    I like the triangle. In my mind it completes to the series of lines that are already in place; the dashed line in the road, the edge of the road, the fence, the edge of the hillside, the line up of the wind turbines and finally, the faint line in clouds – all chasing your eye from left to right. Without the triangle it would feel a little flat.

  • avatar Elinor Osborn

    Why are the irises of Razorbills underexposed by about 1 1/2 stops in a properly exposed RAW file?
    You are exposing to keep detail in the whites. The contrast between whites and black eyes is so great, the camera can’t handle that much contrast and can’t give much if any detail in the blacks.

    Do you like the little black triangle in the lower left corner? Why or why not?
    I do like it. It defines the highway as to size.

  • avatar Joe Randle

    I do like the triangle corner… It gives the photo balance, scale, and finality… and gives the highway definition and placement…otherwise looks like highway is major part of the photo…

    Great job… Enjoy your trip…

  • avatar FintanMcTiernan

    The little black triangle, I like it as it compliments the triangular appearance of the outside points of each of the blades on the turbines and because it gives perspective to the width of the road. If it were not in the frame you would have a scalene triangle in the shape of the road. So either way I personally would like it.

  • Hi Art,
    I don’t know the answer to the question but my thoughts are that by over riding the meter system by the 1 and half stop under exposure the irises could not be visible as they are darken than the dark brown that surround the eyes.

  • avatar Alice

    The bit of the edge of road showing keeps you in a rural road and not in a parking lot. Yes i like it.

    You lightened just the eyes and cheeks to balance out the black and white feathers with having detail in both.

  • avatar Warren H

    Here’s my shot:

    Why are the irises of Razorbills underexposed by about 1 1/2 stops in a properly exposed RAW
    file?
    I agree with all that you had to protect the whites and make sure you had detail there. The really white whites and dark darks lend to a very large Dynamic Range, so you just cant capture the entire range. Therefore, you need to protect the whites and recover the darks in post.

    Do you like the little black triangle in the lower left corner? Why or why not?
    That is an interesting question. At first I did not even really notice it, so I can’t say it is real distracting. Then, when I did notice it, it did seem distracting – pulling the eye where it shouldn’t be. (I believe the strong leading lines are what kept me from seeing it the first time!) I agree it helps give the road dimension, etc, but I think when I am looking at the photo, I am not worried or thinking about the road. I am following the line of people to the left, then the windmills back to the right, then looking at landforms and sky. So, my final answer is: I don’t think it is needed for “balance” or perspective, but I did not find it distracting. To me, the actual problem with “cropping” it out was that the person on the right would be too close to the bottom of the frame and/or the windmill to the left would be too close to the edge of the frame.

    Also, cropping it out would change the way the line of people/guardrail and the line of windmills/hills intersect to the left. There is kind of a”vanishing point” out there and that effect seemed to be a lot less when I cropped the image.

    Just my thoughts. Don’t know if this makes sence to anyone else!

    Warren

    • avatar Warren H

      Looking again at your specific question about the Irises, do the Razorbill eyes sit back under a ridge of feathers? It looks like the very small eyes are set back and are in a shadow, which would mean they are darker, even though the rest of the image is properly exposed.

      • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

        They are not as deeply set as those of some birds but IAC, that is only a very small part of the equation. artie

        • avatar Warren H

          Does it have anything to do with light being absorbed by dark (matte) materials, like feathers and less light reflected? You know, like athletes putting black under their eyes to absorb like and reduce reflected light back to their eyes…

          I know, I have really gone out on a limb here, but you wanted interaction…

  • I’m no expert (or near it), my opinion is that a one third/half stop + exposure compensation may have helped or the use of your flash better beamer may have helped to lift the detail in the almost black eye at the time of capture.
    I had the same trouble in taking pictures of razorbills on the Saltee Islands (off the Irish coast) and the only way I could get the exposure close was in post processing (RAW conversion) by using a selective brush tool to increase the exposure on the eyes as I did not use a fill in flash.

    • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

      Hi Fintan, Yes. Flash would have helped to lighten the pupil. But that was no the question πŸ™‚ I have one good one that was made with the 7D II pop-up flash that I will post.

  • avatar Ron May

    Hi Art. I do not answer because generally, I do not know the answer – simple as that. Often I do not have the experience to draw on to even come close.

    Little triangle – I do not like it because, to me, it is a distraction. My 0.02Β’ FWIW.

    Regards,

    Ron

  • avatar David Policansky

    Hi, Artie, and thanks. Sometimes I don’t answer because I don’t know the answer. (Of course, sometimes I do answer when I don’t know the answer. πŸ™‚ ) In this case, I agree completely with Loren Charif’s answer.

  • avatar Jim Amato

    Little Black Triangle:

    I like it, provides emphasis with scale, distance, depth, tone continuity with rest of image, contrast with roadway tones and people clothing tones.

  • avatar kw mcculloch

    under exposure = not blowing out the whites

  • avatar Geoff

    With a white and black/dark brown bird you always have to err in protecting the highlights because if they blow then the detail is lost. With the shadows you at least have some more leeway to pull them up and get some detail. A sony sensor would make this much cleaner and easier but Canon is still fairly good. Therefore in this image to protect the whites you needed to underexpose the dark iris of the razorbill.

    I like the inclusion of the triangle as it shows how wide the road is and gives a better leading line for the diagonal road. I would prefer a more panoramic crop to that image…sky is nice but I think there is too much of it.

  • avatar Loren Charif

    1. Why are the irises of Razorbills underexposed by about 1 1/2 stops in a properly exposed RAW file? Exposing to bring up the irises would have burned out, and therefore lost detail in the whites. Since the whites are such a large portion of the image, impact on overall exposure is greater, thus the need to pull up the irises in post.

    2. Do you like the little black triangle in the lower left corner? Why or why not? Not so much a matter of liking or disliking; it’s important to the balance of the image so that the road would not appear wider than it is. I suppose one could make the argument that it’s a distraction, but, I’m not bothered by it.

    • avatar Loren Charif

      Damn…hit Submit too soon…Forgot to mention that the triangle helps add a bit of perspective to the road and therefore the entire image.

  • avatar Cris Hamilton

    1. You’re placing the whites at a stop and a half of underexposure, relative to the correct middle tone exposure. This, in turn, makes the irises & brown feathers even darker, so you lightened them, to get to a satisfactory result.

  • avatar Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

    Thanks Cris. On the Razorbill image, how and why does what you wrote affect the exposure of the darker than a middle-tone irises?

    artie

  • avatar Cris Hamilton

    Hi Art – I’ll take a crack at your questions.
    1. Razorbill needs to be underexposed by 1 and a half stops to keep the brilliant whites from being burned out. This will give clean, bright whites while maintaining feather detail.
    2. Wind turbine pic – It definitely needs the triangle in the bottom left because it gives the viewer a sense of dimension and scale. Without it, the picture isn’t balanced.

    ….from your Roseate Spoonbill-Ft. DeSoto class in Feb. 2015.