Archive for March, 2009

BAA Bulletin #287

Tuesday, March 31st, 2009

BIRDS AS ART BULLETIN #287 is on line now.  Click here for the great info and images: http://www.birdsasart.com/bn287.htm

I am headed to the west coast of Florida to do some photography and a program for the Fort Myers Camera Club on Saturday.  You can find details, times, location, and directions here: http://www.ftmyerscc.com/

 I am leaving at 4:45 am Wednesday for a morning on the Hooptie Deux with James Shadle, and Al and Fabs Forns.  Will let you know how we do.

Using All Focusing Points for Erratic Flight and Action

Monday, March 30th, 2009

When attempting to photograph erratic flight or action, I will often choose AAFPS, All AutoFocus Points Selected as in most cases this make it easier to track the bird or to maintain focus on two birds that are interacting.  On my last trip with James Shadle on the Hooptie Deux, we were headed back to the dock at Gibsonton at about 10:15 am when we passed some feeding pelicans.  I arose from my stupor and screamed, “Stop the boat!”  James did and we spent almost an hour with the diving birds.   The neatest thing was that they stayed in a relatively small area, the area that held the shcool of bait! 

James did a great job of keeping the boat in perfect position relative to the wind and the light.   After trying central sensor only for a while, I switched to AAFPS; with the 50D, this entails activating all 9 AF sensors.   Nikon users should try Dynamic in these situations. 

If you would like to get out on Tampa Bay with James, try e-mailing him at  james@wildflorida.net or  james@birdphotographers.net.   James is the BAA Nikon Answer-Man and will be glad to answer your Nikon-related questions via e-mail.  He takes dozens of folks out each spring aboard his photo-customized pontoon boat.  To learn more about James and his spoonbill trips, click here: http://www.wildflorida.net/

Canon 400mm f/4 IS DO lens handheld with the EOS-50D. ISO 400.  Evalutive metering +2/3 stop: 1/2500 sec. at f/7.1 confirmed via histogram check.

Canon 400mm f/4 IS DO lens handheld with the EOS-50D. ISO 400. Evalutive metering +2/3 stop: 1/2500 sec. at f/7.1 confirmed via histogram check.

Click on the image above to see a larger version.  David Kennedy made that possible with a telephone lesson!  Thanks David.  David is a graduate student at the University of Missouri pursuing a masters degree in photojournalism.  You can learn more about David here: http://www.david-kennedy.com/blog/?page_id=2 or check out his informative blog here: http://www.david-kennedy.com/blog/  Both David and Dad Keith (killer macro insects) are multiple IPT veterans and skilled photographers.

Canon EOS-50D Set-up

Sunday, March 29th, 2009

We have had many requests recently to publish the settings that I use with my two Canon EOS-50D bodies so here goes. Bulletins readers will note that they are almost identical to the settings that I used with my Canon EOS-40D body. I have, however, added explanations here where applicable. While some of these settings are camera specific most are generic and a good read may yield some worthwhile info for Canon users and general and even for Nikon or other brand users as many of the options are similar.

Menu Items (Shown for the most part only if settings are different from the default settings).

Red Menu 1.

Quality: RAW. All serious photographers should be using RAW capture.

Red-eye: Off. Turn this on only when photographing people in low light situations.

Beep: On. I find the focus confirmation beep helpful.

Shoot w/o card: Off. Setting this to “On” can only lead to disaster. Why not take advantage of idiot-proofing?

Review time: 8 seconds. This is entirely personal preference. As I use the vertical grip with the two batteries battery life is not an issue.

Peripheral illumination correction. I do not concern myself with this at all as it prevents vignetting only with JPEGs and is much more of a problem when using full frame cameras with long lenses and wide open apertures. Various methods of dealing with vignetting in both Photoshop and in ACR (during conversion) are covered–along with tons of other great techniques and info and our complete digital workflow–in our Digital Basics File. Learn more here: http://www.birdsasart.com/digitalbasics.htm

Red Menu 2.

Color Space: Adobe RGB.

Picture Style: Neutral, customized as follows: Sharpness: 3, Contrast: 0, Saturation: -1, Color Tone: +1. With the Sharpness set at 3, I have never encountered a situation where the image is over-sharpened after conversion. The settings for Saturation and Color Tone are brand new changes that I hope will deal with the Red/Magenta cast in some images. the +1 Color Tone setting adds more Yellow (and possibly less Red). Others have had large Red/Magenta color casts; I wonder what there settings here are? Another important point, unless you are using DPP or Breezebrowser to convert, these settings are meaningless as they only affect JPEG images. If you convert with DPP or Breezebrowser the Picture Style settings are applied. If you convert with ACR (or anything else) they are not applied.

Blue Menu 2.

Highlight Alert: Enable. Working without Highlight Alert Enabled is like buying a Corvette without an engine. Your goal should be to have just a very few flashing highlights with each image; this assures that you will be exposing to the right as you should be. JPEGs show more than RAW files and a few apparently overexposed pixels can easily be recovered during the conversion process.

AF Point display: Enable. This is strictly personal preference.

Histogram: RBG. While I use the RGB histogram all the time, it is most important to utilize it when creating images of colorful sunrises and sunsets. At such times, it is easy to over-expose the red channel; you must guard against this and you can do so by taking a good look at the Red channel on the histogram. Of course it would be a lot easier to read and evaluate the histograms on all Canon cameras if they would put a light colored border around the histogram (as I and others have been suggesting for several years at least).

Yellow Menu 1.

Auto Power Off: 30 minutes. Lots of folks set this at 1 minute or 2 minutes thinking that they will save their batteries. Over the course of a lifetime they would save about 2 cents worth of electricity while missing dozens of great images as they wait that fraction of a second for the camera to wake up. Even worse are those who turn the cameras off constantly to save battery power….

File Numbering: Continuous.

Auto Rotate: ON/computer. This allows me to see verticals full frame on the back of the camera but see them rotated (and therefore smaller) on the laptop.

Yellow Menu 2.

LCD Brightness: one notch below the brightest. Folks think that this may make the image look over-exposed. You need to be judging your exposures by looking at the histogram, not at the back of the camera. A bright setting here helps me to view the histogram in sunny conditions. Oh for that yellow box around the histogram…

Date/Time: Make sure that the date and the time are set accurately at all times even when you travel to new time zones. It will make various aspects of your photographic life simpler and easier.

Custom Functions (Shown only if settings are different from the default settings).

C Fn I-group (Exposure).

C Fn I-3/ISO Expansion: 1: On.

C Fn-I-6/Safety Shift: Enable (TvAv). This will keep you in the ballgame when working in Av or Tv mode in rapidly changing lighting conditions.

C Fn II group (Image).

C Fn II-1/Long exposure noise reduction. I leave this on all the time as it will kick in only for the long exposures (that usually only occur when I am creating scenics, bird scapes, or intentional wind or waterfall blurs.

C Fn II-2/High ISO noise reduction. I leave this on Standard because running NR with the higher ISOs does not reduce the size of the buffer anywhere near as much as it does with the EOS-1Ds Mark III. My gut feeling with this and the previous setting (C Fn II-1) is that in-camera NR is to be preferred to any other type of NR, either during or after conversion.

C Fn II-3/Highlight Tone Priority: Enable. As far as I know, there is no reason to leave this off as enabling it increases both highlight detail and dynamic range for tones lighter than a middle tone.

C Fn III group( Autofocus/Drive).

C Fn III-1/Auto focus/Drive/Lens may be helpful to some when photographing birds in flight at a relatively consistent distance. If there are birds flying close by and others at a distance, the lens will not even attempt to focus when switching from the close birds to the more distant subjects, so with C Fn III-1 set to 1: Focus search off, you will need to pre-focus manually in most cases. Why go to all this trouble? Once you have locked focus with C Fn-1:1 set, the AF system is supposed to be less likely to drop the subject and search for a different subject if the sensor momentarily falls off the subject. This was and is an important issue with the EOS-1D MIII bodies, but the 50D does such a good job of focus tracking that I rarely switch from the default setting, C Fn-1: 0.

(Folks interested in the details involved in setting up C-Fn III-1, C Fn IV-1 and C Fn IV-2 are referred to the Mark III User’s Guide: http://tinyurl.com/2pumhq

C Fn III-2/Lens AF stop button function. I only recently began setting C Fn III-2: 2 when I had a problem while handholding my 400mm f/4 IS DO lens (especially for flight or action photography). The index finger of my left hand, which I use to support the lens barrel, would inadvertently press the focus stop button that is located just this side of the lens hood. (Others using this lens may or may not have this problem depending on how exactly how they hold the lens when handholding.) In any case, with C Fn III-2: 2 set, accidentally depressing the AF stop button will lock the exposure rather than stopping focus.

C Fn III-6/Mirror Lock which is enabled only when needed, most often with macro work and/or long exposures.

C Fn III-7/AF Micro-adjustment. I have been happy with the AF accuracy if my 50D that I have not found it necessary to perform these adjustments. Again, users who would like to learn to do there adjustments are referred to the MIII Users Guide: http://tinyurl.com/2pumhq

C Fn IV group (Operation/Others).

C Fn IV-1/Shutter Button/AF-ON Button: 1 Metering + AF start/AF stop. Inspired by Jim Neiger, I have been using this set-up for quite some time now but still do not have 100% confidence in it. It is sort of the opposite of the old CF-4-3 setting that I used to use on occasion and that some good photographers use full time. With C Fn IV-1 set to 1, I keep AF set to AI Servo AF. The shutter button controls metering and AF, If you press the shutter button you get the exposure data and as long as you keep the shutter button half-way down, AF will be active and the camera will focus track. Now here is the key with these settings: Rather than having to switch to One Shot AF for static subjects when you need to lock focus and recompose, you can focus on the bird’s eye and hold down the star button to lock focus. (Be sure to see the next item so that you understand why you are pressing the star button rather than the AF ON button.) Now you can recompose the image by shifting the lens as need be; the point of focus will not change as long as you keep your thumb on the star button. It takes some practice but can be quite useful.

C Fn IV-2/AE-ON/AE lock button switch: 1: Enable. The functions of the AE-ON button and the star button are switched. Now, whether you are using the star button as AF-ON or as AF-OFF (as with C Fn IV-1 immediately above) you do not have to arch your thumb to reach the AF-ON button. In addition, these functions were always assigned to the star button on previous cameras and the star button was has always been in the same position, just to the left of the AF Grid button.

Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow

Saturday, March 28th, 2009

On Friday afternoon I enjoyed some more cloudy weather and before my walk and again had a few good chances with one of the local Ospreys.  I have been trying to use ISO 8oo more with my 50D to check out the noise.   I am finding that the noise is best controlled by pushing the histogram as far right as possible (as I did here). 

This Osprey was photographed with the handheld 400mm f/4 IS DO lens and the EOS-50D.  ISO 800.  Evalautive metering +2 stops off the sky: 1/2500 sec. at f/4 in Manual Mode.

This Osprey was photographed with the handheld 400mm f/4 IS DO lens and the EOS-50D. ISO 800. Evalautive metering +2 stops off the sky: 1/2500 sec. at f/4 in Manual Mode.

If you have previously been viewing distorted images, please let me know if this one looks OK.  We are working on it <smile>

I went out a bit this morning as the sun attempted to break through the clouds.  I saw a flock of Wild Turkeys with two big toms displaying but they were in a horrific spot with cars and sheds in the BKGR so I drove away and scouted a bit.  When I returned, they were in much better position.

This image was created with the Canon 70-200mmm f/4L IS lens handheld at 135mm.  ISO 800.  Evaluative metering at zero: 1/1600 sec. at f/4 in Av Mode.

This image was created with the Canon 70-200mmm f/4L IS lens handheld at 135mm. ISO 800. Evaluative metering at zero: 1/1600 sec. at f/4 in Av Mode.

Tomorrow, by popular demand, I will be sharing the details of how I set up my Canon EOS-50D camera bodies.  See you then.

The Canon EOS-50D-Focuses Through Wood!

Wednesday, March 25th, 2009

The cloudy, breezy afternoon weather here of late has been great for my three mile daily walk. In addition, it has made for some good photgraphic opportunities.  (I love white skies.)  There are more Ospreys down by the lake than in recent years and many have been carrying moss for their nests.  My favorite flight photography combo has been the Canon EOS-50D and the lightweight but pricey Canon 400mmm f/5.6L DO lens.   I have written extensivley of the 50D’s fabulous autofocus tracking accuracy in recent Bulletins–you can visit the archives, which have a great search feature, here: http://www.birdsasart.com/bn.html.  Though I have stated clearly that the 50D tracks birds in flight more accurately than any Canon camera that I have ever used, we get lots of e-mails from disbelievers.   You can also find a great BPN thread on the subject here:  http://www.birdphotographers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=29716

The first three images are a sequence.  Note that the bird remains in sharp focus even when it flies behind the telephone pole.

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The image below is my very favorite from the afternoon. It was created it as the bird landed atop the pole.  All images as follows: ISO 400.  Evaluative metering +1 1/3 stops at f/6.3.,  AI Servo AF/central sensor only. (The shutter speeds varied depending on framing.  If that is confusing to you see the ABP/ABP II sale here: http://www.birdsasart.com/books.html).

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To see this image larger, click here: http://www.birdphotographers.net/forums/showthread.php?p=232556#post232556

Captain Froggie and the Alafia Banks; Near Dunking or Near Drowning?

Sunday, March 22nd, 2009

For those having image distortion problems related to their browsers, we apologize but will be unable to deal with that problem until we are able to customize Word  Press; that will not happen for a while as I am hoping to get my taxes done on time for the first time in years.  Anyone who has a solution is of course welcome to e-mail us at birdsasart@att.net

I had the alarm set for 4am early on Friday morning.  I was asleep before 9pm but woke with unabated excitement at 2:07am.  I finished a Sudoku puzzle and then gave up on getting any more sleep.   Spoonbills can do that to you.  I met Captain James Shadle at the dock at Gibsonton.   He had a single client, Randy Stout, who had been on the BIRDS AS ART SW FLA Post X-mas  IPT.  He has since become quite active on BirdPhotographer’s.Net  (BPN: It Ain’t just birds; honest critiqutes done gently.)   You can see our Image of the Year here: http://www.birdphotographers.net/ 

In any case, we were out on the bay in the pitch dark marvelling at the phosphorence in the wake of James’ pontoon boat, the Hooptie Deux.   Soon after that we had some nice pre-dawn ibis blast-offs.

Here is an image I made with the 800mm lens alone and the EOS-1D MII (ISO 500:  1/1250 sec. at f/6.3 in manual mode.  Evalutive -+2/3 stop off the low blue sky and then confirmed via histogram check):

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I added canvas right and eliminated a variety of minor but distracting BKGR elemens.

Once we had several birds in front of us on the mud flat I wanted to sit down in the water for a lower angle. I shortened the legs on my Gitzo 3530 LS tripod and pulled out the leg tabs.  I was wearing my lightweight chest waders without a belt.  I spread the legs of the tripod and attempted to sit down behind my rig in about 18 inches of water.  The problem was that I began to float….  James called out that the water was about an inch from going over the top of the rear of my waders as my bouyancy attempted to tip me over backwards and he left his rig to give me a hand.   Now I had a bigger problem.  As I struggled to gain control of myself and my rig I pretty much lost control of the 800 lens with a Mark III on it.  Two or three times the camera body came within 1/2 inch of the salt water. Finally, with James’ help, I regained control, pulled the tripod legs together, pushed in the leg tabs, and got on my knees–not my favorite position–behind the tripod, and made some images.  It was a close call and I believe that disaster was averted only because I did not panic. 

Anyway, below is my favorite image from that little adventure.  It was created with the 800 f/5.6 L IS lens, the 1.4X II TC, and the EOS 1D MIII.  ISO 500.  Evaluative metering -1/3 stop: 1/800 sec. at f/9 set manually. 

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If you are or will be in Florida at any time during the next six weeks do make sure to give James a buzz, get out on Tampa Bay, and enjoy some quality opportunities with one of Florida’s most sought-after species.  You can reach James via e-mail at either of these addresses:   james@wildflorida.net or james@birdphotographers.net  or on his cell phone:     813-363-2854   .  It is better to keep trying than to leave a message.   To learn more about James click here:  www.wildflorida.net

 

 

ILE: My Home Turf (and and news of an amazing sighting…)

Thursday, March 19th, 2009

I wake up at my home-office at Indian Lake Estates (ILE), Florida about half of each year.   (Don’t ask me where the estates are….)    In any case, ILE consists of 450 modest homes on 4,000 acres surrounded by 17,000 protected acres on the Lake Wales Ridge.  My late masseuse, John Lynott, told me that he saw a Florida Panther in the yard of the local church about 20 years ago, and there are Panther Crossing signs on SR 60 that I travel regularly.   On some mornings and even more rarely, on some afternoons, I do get out for an hour to photograph.  The tame Sandhill Cranes make good subjects year round, and in early spring there are always some chicks about.  In several months they grow to handsome colts.   The current issue of My Big Backyard (i.e., Ranger Rick for younger children), featured my image a large chick taking a sip of water and a spread of baby sandhill images inside.  Do not laugh: they pay very well. 

On the morning of March 15 I created two images that I liked; each required some special handling in Photoshop.  The first image was of a displaying Boat-tailed Grackle.  I photographed it from my vehicle near a golf course pond with the Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens and the EOS-50D on the BLUBB (the BAA Big Lens Ultimate BeanBag).   I began photographing the  bird from a spot just off sun angle when I noticed that if I moved forward a few yards I would be able to separate the three twigs and later, clone out the two distracting ones.  I moved the car forward right to sun angle; fortunately the vehicle did not fall into the pond.  The problem was that the very best pose was created right off the bat.  The solution:  I borrowed the foot from a later frame using a Quick Mask, covered the merged twigs with the borrowed foot, rotated and scaled the selection, and finally erased the two extra twigs with the Clone Stamp.

Here is the final image:

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I liked this pose best because of the wonderully flared tail.  BTW, ISO 400.  Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/1000 at f/8.

I found an Osprey sitting on a low post with some dried moss for its nest.  Lens and set-up same as above.  ISO 400.  Evaluative metering -1/3 stop: 1/1000 sec. at f/8.  With the 50D you need to be more careful about burning the whites in bright sun than with the MIII bodies. 

When I viewed the image on my laptop (where I optimize all of  my images) I was dismayed to see a large nail in the post.  Using the Clone Stamp, the Patch Tool, and a series of Quick Masks, I eliminated the nail and shorted a single long stem of grass that had inesected with the bird’s body.  

Here is the image out of the camera:

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Here is a close-up of the offending area:

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Here is that same section after I cleaned it up:

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All of the techniques that I used for the cleanup (as well as our coplete digital workflow and dozens of great Photoshop tips) are described in detail in our Digital Basics File.  You can learn more here:

http://www.birdsasart.com/digitalbasics.htm  

Finally, here is the final image:

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Notice the perfect look-back head angle.

Oh, by the way, when Jim, Jim Litzenberg,  my right hand man, came back from his morning walk (except in summer, I walk in the afternoons), he told me that he had seen a Florida Panther just two blocks from home….   All  of you who have dealt with Jim on the phone know that he is personable, efficient, helpful, and friendly.  If you would like to meet him, click here:

http://www.birdphotographers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=31956

Lastly, here is a killer image of me in action created by Jory Griesman, click here:

http://www.birdphotographers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32199

Some SW FLA Presidents Week IPT Images

Tuesday, March 17th, 2009

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On a nice afternoon at Little Estero, the fog swooped in like some mythic creature.  Rather than quit, I suggested that we begin making intentional blurs explaining that getting one great one was like winning the lottery.  The image above was created with 70-200mm f/4L IS lens handheld at 78 mm with the 50D.    Evaluative metering + 1 1/3 stops in TV mode: 1/8 second at f/29.   Much better would have been to have had the correct 9-stop neutral density filter for the 70-200 f.4; then I could have used a much wider aperture to avoid maximizing the few dust spots.  A start in that direction would have been to go from ISO 400 to ISO 2oo.

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 When an IPT visits the Venice Rookery in the morning I have a great afternoon spot about an hour away for both Brown and White Pelicans.    The green swatch in the water (that I love by the way) is the reflection of a pressure treated piling..   This image was made with the much maligned 100-400 IS L zoom lens handheld at 120mm with the EOS-50D.  ISO 400.  Evaluative metering -1/3 stop: 1/1600 at f/7.1 in Av Mode. 

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Early on still mornings at Estero can be magic but only if you are in the right spot at the eastern end of the lagoon where the sun comes up over the Gulf and a distant spit.  This image was created with the Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens with the EOS-1D Mark III.  ISO 800.  Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/10 sec. at f/5.6.  The 800 features a new 4-stop IS system that at times seems close to miraculous.  I have made sharp images at shutter speeds as slow as 1/6 sec. 

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Being at Little Estero Lagoon on a low tide with little wind and the sun just coming over the condos can be pure magic, especially when there is a natural feeding spree.  This Snow Egret was photographed on just such a morning with the tripod-mounted Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens and the EOS-1D Mark III.  ISO 400.  Evaluative metering +2/3 stop: 1/1250 sec. at f/8. 

Forida Rarity Photographed by Accident

Tuesday, March 17th, 2009

BPN “Eager to Learn” moderator Gus Cobos made a pretty good photograph of a bird seen in Florida only three times before.   If you are eager to learn about this sighting, click here:

http://www.birdphotographers.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32251

I heard from Gus just after lunch today only to learn that the bird was photographed last year.   So much for urgency.  Still a great bird. 

Little Estero Lagoon

Sunday, March 15th, 2009

On the morning of March 14 I photographed at Little Estero Lagoon in Fort Myers Beach, FL with IPT veterans Brendan Quigley and Bob Blanchard.  While we were amazed that there were so few herons and egrets around we still had lots of great photo opps.   The bridge over San Carlos Pass was closed for most of the morning for a parade so it took us a while to get to breakfast lunch.  Brendan took us to First Watch on the corner of College and Cleveland where we looked at images and had some great chow. 

The SW FLA IPT report will be coming soon. 

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Mottled Duck, drake, Little Estero Lagoon, Fort Myers Beach, FL

Image copyright 2009:  Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens with the EOS-1D Mark III on the Mongoose M3.5 atop the Gitzo 3530LS CF tripod.  ISO 400.  Evaluative metering +1 stop:  1/400 sec. at f/11. 
 
Getting flat on the ground yields intimate images but you need to be willing to get wet and muddy as I did here.   I went for some extra depth of  field here knowing that with the bird swiming slowly that 1400 sec. was plenty fast enough for making sharp images.  
 
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Wilsons’s Plover on beach, Fort Myers Beach, FL

Image Copyright  2009: Arthur Morris/BIRDS AS ART

Canon 800mm f/5.6L IS lens with the EOS-1D Mark III on the Mongoose M3.5 atop the Gitzo 3530LS CF tripod.  ISO 400.  Evaluative metering +1 1/3 stops set manually:  1/320 sec. at f/10. 
 
This image is a stitch pano created from three horizontal frames , combined in Photoshop CS3, and then cropped from the righ.  To merge the images click on  File/Autommate/Batch/Photomerge.   Whenever you see something that looks great long and low, think stitched pano.